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解龙将军:越南是中国罪犯流放南迁形成的
(博讯北京时间2013年1月10日 来稿)
    
    作者:解龙将军
    

    越南是中国罪犯流放南迁形成的。
    
    在这种意义上,越南很像“中国的澳大利亚”。澳大利亚人基本上就是由英国罪犯流放南迁形成的。看看澳大利亚无赖默多克的样子就知道越南人是什么东西了。
    
    作为罪犯,越南居民有两种成分:
    
    1、政治犯;
    
    2、刑事犯。
    
    前一种人带头革命,后一种人趁机作乱,联合推翻了中国统治,实现了“民族独立”。
    
    看看下面的资料就一目了然了:
    
      新闻摘要
    
     译文简介:这是topix上的一个关于越南是不是中国的一个省的投票,时间跨度比较大,最早回帖来自2008年。截止翻译时,投票结果如下:
    
      共计有346人投票,其中选择“不是”的有127人占36%,
    
      选择“曾经是”的有111人,占32%,选择“是”的有79人,占22%,选择“以后会是”的有29人,占8%
    
      评论翻译:
    
      (澳大利亚)is Canada part of USA?
    
      加拿大是美国的一部分吗?
    
      (美国)Yes, after Tibet and Taiwan, China will think about Vietnam, I am sure hehehehe
    
      It is not surprised for people around the world 米尔网 www.junshijia.com
    
      是的,在西藏和台湾之后中国会考虑越南的,我确定,呵呵。
    
      对全世界人来说都没什么好奇怪的。
    
      原创翻译:
    
      (加拿大)“HIV wrote:
    
      Yes, after Tibet and Taiwan, China will think about Vietnam, I am sure hehehehe
    
      It is not surprised for people around the world ”
    
      of course you will think this and that ... I don't blame you, you have HIV virus in your brain. 米尔网 www.junshijia.com
    
      引用“是的,在西藏和台湾之后中国会考虑越南的,我确定,呵呵。
    
      对全世界人来说都没什么好奇怪的。”
    
      你当然会这么想,我不怪你,你脑子里有HIV病毒
    
      (美国)Some Chinese in this forum said that Vietnam is a group of Chinese moving South ( i think he called Vietnamese Yeu or something likes that) www.junshijia.com 爱国交流理性平台
    
      and Chinese conquered and ruled Vietnam from 1st century to 11st century
    
      Why not it is a part of China?
    
      If in 1950, instead of invading
    
      Tibet, China invaded Vietnam and now Vietnam should be the same lol
    
      一些在这个论坛的中国人说越南是由中国人南迁形成的(我认为他们应该叫越侨什么的)
    
      而且中国在1世纪到11世纪都占领着越南。为什么越南不是中国的一部分呢?
    
      如果1950年的时候,中国侵略了越南,而不是西藏,那越南现在就和西藏一样了。
    
      (中国)it's really used to be
    
      以前真的是
    
      (未知)Vietnamese are using the same surnames as Chinese.Their people's Y-chromosomes must come from China.
    
      越南人和中国人用一样的姓,他们的Y染色体一定是来自中国的。
    
      (美国)“bigball wrote:
    
      Vietnamese are using the same surnames as Chinese.Their people's Y-chromosomes must come from China. ”
    
      Right, that is why I said Vietnam is a province of China
    
      I think Singapore is a part of China too. Singapore's population is made up by more than 75% Chinese. Once, China conquers Vietnam, Singapore is just an hour to reach
    
      引用“越南人和中国人用一样的姓,他们的Y染色体一定是来自中国的。”
    
      是的,那就是为什么我说越南是中国的一个省
    
      我认为新加坡也是中国的一部分。新加坡的人口由多达75%的中国人组成。一旦中国征服了越南,新加坡就如同囊中之物了。
    
      (中国)“HIV wrote:
    
      Right, that is why I said Vietnam is a province of China
    
      I think Singapore is a part of China too.
    
      Singapore's population is made up by more than 75% Chinese. Once, China conquers Vietnam, Singapore is just an hour to reach
    
      LOL ”
    
      Singapore is not being ruled by the Chinese Government at all. So it is not. Vietnam is a province of China before Ming dynasty, so it used to be. People in Vietnam are not Han.
    
      引用“是的,那就是为什么我说越南是中国的一个省
    
      我认为新加坡也是中国的一部分。新加坡的人口由多达75%的中国人组成。一旦中国征服了越南,新加坡就如同囊中之物了。”
    
      新加坡根本就不是中国政府掌管的。所以新加坡不是中国的一部分。越南在明朝之前是中国的一个省,所以它曾经是。在越南的人民不是汉族。
    
      (美国)Is it another joke?
    
      这又是一个玩笑? 米尔军事论坛 bbs.junshijia.com
    
      (美国)“OMG wrote:
    
      Is it another joke? ”
    
      Don't you get the joke?
    
      China can invade any country, then it will say that "hundreds years age, that country used to belong to us", " 75% of people in that part of our country are Chinese" or even "China needs it for land and resource "
    
      Hahahaha what a stupid joke huh? But it may become true
    
      引用“这又是一个玩笑?”
    
      你不觉得好笑?
    
      中国能征服任何一个国家,然后它会说“几百年前,这个国家是属于中国的。”,“那国家75%的人是中国人”或甚至是“中国需要这块土地的资源”
    
      哈哈哈真是个白痴的笑话,但是可能会成真。
    
      (美国)HIV, calm down
    
      "hundreds years age, that country used to belong to us"
    
      If you say up to 100 years ago. I still can tell you
    
      Vietnam and Japan are not included in China's territory. And if it is history, we could say that: Alaska used to be a part of Russia, right?
    
      So what, it is the truth, but now it belongs to the US. And we could say 100 years ago, British has Hongkong, but now it belongs to China again. That is also a truth. We also could say Rome is the only empire whose territory contains three continents. Many countries around mediterranean sea used to belong to Rome. That is also the truth.
    
      " 75% of people in that part of our country are Chinese"
    
      That is a kind of statistic thing. I think it is not the people say that first. It did by some orgnization who want to know the build up of the population.
    
      "China needs it for land and resource "
    
      So we have it? sign......
    
      Yeah, it seems like it is not a joke now...You misunderstand the meaning included in those sentences. However, if you judge people in that way, then I am not surprised.
    
      楼主,冷静下
    
      关于“几百年前,这个国家是属于我们的”这句话
    
      就算你在100年前说,我还是会告诉你越南和日本不属于中国的领土。如果看历史的话,我们是不是可以说“阿拉斯加是俄罗斯的一部分”?
    
      就算曾经是那又怎样,现在它是美国的。而且我们还能说100年前英国拥有香港呢,但现在香港又回归中国了。这也是个事实。我们也能说罗马是唯一一个横跨三大洲的帝国。许多地中海国家曾经属于罗马,这也是事实。
    
      关于“那国家75%的人是中国人”这只是个数字游戏。我认为这不是中国人最先说的。这是一些想要了解其自身人口组成的组织机构研究出来的。
    
      至于“中国需要这块土地的资源”这句话,真的有吗?叹气~是的,现在看上去这不是一个笑话了,你误解了这些话语中的含义,但是如果你一直是这么判断人的,那我也就不会奇怪了。
    
      (美国)What a country use to be a part of another is never an issue where sovereignty is concerned, nor is it what the Chinese claim of territory is based upon. It is the continuous legal ownership of Tibet ever since 1792 that the Chinese sovereignty over Tibet is hence recognized by the international community. Of course to a crack-head, it is too hard to understand what legal ownership means.
    
      一个国家以前是不是别的国家的一部分从来都不是确定一个国家主权的前提条件,也不是靠中国声称领土就归他们了。中国对西藏自1792以来就拥有其合法所有权,中国对西藏的主权也因此获得了国际社会的认可,当然,对一个二逼来说,是很难理解合法所有权的含义的。 米尔军事论坛 bbs.junshijia.com
    
      (加拿大)“Don't you get the joke?
    
      China can invade any country, then it will say that "hundreds years age, that country used to belong to us", " 75% of people in that part of our country are Chinese" or even "China needs it for land and resource "
    
      Hahahaha what a stupid joke huh? But it may become true”
    
      Yes, I agree with you. China can invade any country, but unfortunately never did so. The most recently invaded country is Iraq. I am wondering which country did that.
    
      引用:“你不觉得好笑? 转自米尔军情网 http://www.junshijia.com
    
      中国能征服任何一个国家,然后它会说“几百年前,这个国家是属于中国的。”,“那国家75%的人是中国人”或甚至是“中国需要这块土地的资源”
    
      哈哈哈真是个白痴的笑话,但是可能会成真。”
    
      是的,我同意你的话,中国能征服任何一个国家,但是很不幸他们从来没这么干。最近被侵略的国家是伊拉克,我在想是哪个国家干了这事。
    
      原创翻译:
    
      (加拿大)“HIV wrote:
    
      Some Chinese in this forum said that Vietnam is a group of Chinese moving South ( i think he called Vietnamese Yeu or something likes that)
    
      and Chinese conquered and ruled Vietnam from 1st century to 11st century
    
      Why not it is a part of China?
    
      If in 1950, instead of invading Tibet, China invaded Vietnam and now Vietnam should be the same lol ”
    
      For your information, I checked a British map in 18th century, a Japanese map in 1908, and a map kept at HarvardUniv. in 1950, they all included Tibet as part of China. It's not "Invading". If US sends its troop to Texas, is that invading?
    
      引用“一些在这个论坛的中国人说越南是由中国人南迁形成的(我认为他们应该叫越侨什么的)而且中国在1世纪到11世纪都占领着越南。为什么越南不是中国的一部分呢?
    
      如果1950年的时候,中国侵略了越南,而不是西藏,那越南现在就和西藏一样了。”
    
      根据你的信息,我去查了查一份18世纪的英国地图,一份1908年的日本地图以及一份1950年的哈佛大学地图,上面全部都写着西藏是中国的一部分。这不叫“侵略”。如果美国把军队开往德克萨斯,这是侵略吗?
    
      (印度)If we go by chinese logic of chromosome and genes then we can say whole world belongs to Ethiopia. After all humans came out of that country.
    
      The chinese were beaten back by
    
      Vietnam just few decades back. So much for the super power.
    
      如果我们跟随中国式的逻辑去看染色体和基因,那我们能说整个世界都是埃塞俄比亚的。反正所有人类都是那个国家出来的。
    
      中国在几十年前就被越南打回去过,这就是这个超级大国的实力了。
    
      (印度)The nation of Tibet was free until 1950. These chinese just fabricate history. They forget that it was
    
      India, Tibet and UK who formalized Mcmohan line. At that point of time, china was not in possession of Tibet.
    
      Actually china belong to Mongolia because it was mongolia that occupied China and Tibet at the same time. These chinese use this mongolian occupation to justify their assumption that Tibet is part of China.
    
      By that logic, UK occupied US, Australia, India, Canada at the same time so can India claim that US is part of India.
    
      直到1950年西藏还是一个自由的民族,那些中国人伪造了历史。他们忘记了当初是印度,西藏和英国让麦克马洪线正式化。在那时,中国对西藏并没有所有权。 米尔网 www.junshijia.com
    
      事实上中国属于蒙古,因为那时候蒙古占领了中国和西藏。这些中国人用蒙古的占领去为西藏属于中国的假设辩护。
    
      用这个逻辑,英国同时占领过美国,澳洲,印度,加拿大,那印度就能声称美国属于印度了。(译者注:麦克马洪线:是一条由英国探险家为印度测量时划的一条位于英属印度和西藏的边界。其走向起自不丹和西藏交界处,大致沿分水岭和山脊线至云南独龙江东南的伊素拉希山口,将传统上西藏当局享有管辖权、税收权和放牧权的约9万平方公里领土(这是传统说法,但根据矢量地图的测量方法,这块地方的面积大约是6.7万平方公里)都划进印度去。英属印度政府和印度都声称这条边界就是正式疆界。中国政府不承认该线。)
    
      (美国)“Kabeer wrote:
    
      If we go by chinese logic of chromosome and genes then we can say whole world belongs to Ethiopia. Afterall humans came out of that country. ”
    
      Funny that the only one who speaks of chromosome and genes here is you. So obviously it is not a Chinese logic but yours.
    
      引用“如果我们跟随中国式的逻辑去看染色体和基因,那我们能说整个世界都是埃塞俄比亚的。反正所有人类都是那个国家出来的。
    
      中国在几十年前就被越南打回去过,这就是这个超级大国的实力了。” www.junshijia.com 爱国交流理性平台
    
      真好笑,一直在讲染色体和基因的人就是你,这显然不是中国式逻辑,而是你的逻辑。
    
      (美国)“Kabeer wrote:
    
      The chinese were beaten back by Vietnam just few decades back. So much for the super power. ”
    
      Yeah, that is the definition of 'china'. China made from clay, so china is fragile... or easy broken
    
      引用“中国在几十年前就被越南打回去过,这就是这个超级大国的实力了”
    
      是的,这就是“陶瓷”的定义,瓷器是粘土做的,所以瓷器很脆弱,很容易碎掉。(译者注:此处双关语,中国的英文china又有瓷器的意义。)
    
      (中国)Believe me, if India have the power to fight US easily, it would do that.
    
      相信我,如果印度有可以轻易打败美国的力量,它会使用的。
    
      (印度)No, India is not a foolish country like you who is after other country's land. You chinese are greedy by nature. 转自米尔军情网 http://www.junshijia.com
    
      不,印度不是个像你们一样只想着侵略别人土地的傻子,你们中国人天生就贪婪。
    
      (中国)“Kabeer wrote:
    
      No, India is not a foolish country like you who is after other country's land. You chinese are greedy by nature. ”
    
      So we are greedy, and you? Why you occupy SIKKIM and detained it's king in 1975? If India is not a foolish country indeed then you will not be controled by the UK for 200 years and then won your freedom in such a graceful way. Maybe be cowardish is more suitable for you than foolish.
    
      引用“不,印度不是个像你一样只想着侵略别人土地的傻子,你们中国人天生就贪婪。”
    
      好吧我们很贪婪,你们呢?你们在1975年为什么占领锡金并拘留锡金的国王?如果印度真的不是个傻子那你们就不会被英国控制200年然后如此“优雅”地赢得你们的自由了,也许懦弱比傻子更适合你们。 米尔军事论坛 bbs.junshijia.com
    
      原创翻译:
    
      (美国)OK, I think Vietnam is a part of China LOL because I heard many Vietnamese people are ready to join Tibetans to protest the bloody Games as they want China to return Paracel and Spratly Islands 米尔军事论坛 bbs.junshijia.com
    
      好吧,我认为越南是中国的一部分,呵呵,因为我听说很多越南人正准备加入西藏人一起抗议这血腥游戏,他们想要中国把南沙群岛还给他们。
    
      (美国)I think this planet belongs to China what do you think?
    
      我认为整个地球都是中国的,你们觉得呢?
    
      (美国)Is Vietnam a province of China?
    
      Yes, look at 2 flags
    
      Vietnamese flag is a part of
    
      China flag
    
      越南是不是中国的一个省?
    
      是的,看看他们的国旗吧
    
      越南的国旗是中国国旗的一部分。
    
      (泰国)A Chinese friend of mine once said that Vietnam was born when China, hundreds of years ago, purged the country of all criminals and forced them to move south. Whether or not this is true I don't know, but one thing is for sure: Most Chinese don't like Vietnamese and they are even afraid of them.
    
      我的一个中国朋友曾经说越南是中国几百年前让一些流放的罪犯南迁形成的。我不知道这是不是真的,但是有一件事我很确定,大多数中国人不喜欢越南人,而且他们也不怕越南人。
    
      (中国)who is making this topic? That is nonsence.
    
      Vietnam is Vietnam, China is China. We are different country. Some part of Vietnam used to be a part of China.In Ming Dinasty, Vietam is an indepent country,but with differnt country relation with China.From Han dinasty to Song Dinasty(B.C 2century-D.C.14century),Some part of vietam used to be one part of China as province.As you know at that time,
    
      Vietnam area had many kingkom. not a whole country.But now Vietnam is an excellent vietnam, They are developping and will become a excellent vietnam. I hope all vietnam person will enhoy their life there.
    
      谁发的帖子?无聊。越南是越南,中国是中国。我们是不同的国家。越南有一部分曾经是中国的。在明朝的时候,越南是独立国家,和中国建立了很多外交关系。从汉朝到宋朝(公元前2世纪到公元14世纪),越南有一部分曾经是中国的一个省。因为你知道,在那时,越南有很多国家,不是一个整体。但是现在越南是一个很棒的越南,他们发展的很好。我希望所有的越南人都能喜欢他们的生活。(译者注:其实宋朝是到13世纪结束)
    
      (中国)“Think about It wrote:
    
      A Chinese friend of mine once said that Vietnam was born when China, hundreds of years ago, purged the country of all criminals and forced them to move south. Whether or not this is true I don't know, but one thing is for sure: Most Chinese don't like Vietnamese and they are even afraid of them. ”
    
      That is maybe. For most of Chinese. we have no special detesting emotion aout vietnam, even if we had the border war between 1979 and 1989. and many soldiers died for that. China is too big, and we are neighnour. We can accept some different view and action.... This is my personel view, To be frank, Chinese are not evil or beast. We are also kind person. we like friend, peascefullylive with strange, develop by our way. We love peace. The govenment and every chinese love peace.
    
      引用“我的一个中国朋友曾经说越南是中国几百年前让一些流放的罪犯南迁形成的。我不知道这是不是真的,但是有一件事我很确定,大多数中国人不喜欢越南人,而且他们也不怕越南人。”
    
      也许吧。对大多数中国人来说。我们没有特别的讨厌越南,即使我们在1979年到1989年之间有边界战争,许多士兵因此牺牲。中国太大了,而且我们是邻国。我们可以接受不同的观点和行为……这是我的个人看法,老实说,中国不是什么邪恶的坏蛋。我们也是很好的人。我们喜欢朋友,与陌生人和平的生活,以我们自己的方式发展。我们爱和平。政府和每一个中国人都爱和平。
    
      (美国)“Juran wrote:
    
      For your information, I checked a British map in 18th century, a Japanese map in 1908, and a map kept at Harvard Univ. in 1950, they all included Tibet as part of China. It's not "Invading". If US sends its troop to Texas, is that invading? ”
    
      There are other old maps which show Tibet as independent. All that your finds prove is that some people were poor mapmakers.
    
      引用“根据你的信息,我去查了查一份18世纪的英国地图,一份1908年的日本地图以及一份1950年的哈佛大学地图,上面全部都写着西藏是中国的一部分。这不叫“侵略”。如果美国把军队开往德克萨斯,这是侵略吗?”
    
      还有其他的老地图显示西藏是独立的。你找到的那些只不过是无能的制图者做的。
    
      (美国)“Free Radical wrote:
    
      There are other old maps which show Tibet as independent. All that your finds prove is that some people were poor mapmakers. ”
    
      So you are saying Tibet was recognized as an independent country by old map makers.
    
      Hello, this is 2008. We have new maps. These maps are made with the latest technologies and with the highest accuracy. The new maps made by every country in this world today are all showing Tibet as part of China. So you are saying that the whole world is wrong, only you and the old dead map makers were right.
    
      Why isn't there one country agreeing with you? You are very lonely on this planet.
    
      During the Qing Dynasty through 1911, all the countries that came into contact with China, all agreed that Tibet was part of China.
    
      During the early Republic of China, from 1911 to 1949, when the country was falling apart, no country has ever recognized Tibet independence during that time period. In fact all of those countries considered Tibet as part of China.
    
      Under PRC from 1949 till today, again no country has recognized Tibet as an independent country.
    
      This is the reality. Tibet is part of China. Everyone knows it. Every country recognizes it.
    
      Your wishful thinking about an independent Tibet is real only in never-never land, and its never-never maps, made by never-never map maker.
    
      引用“还有其他的老地图显示西藏是独立的。你找到的那些只不过是无能的制图者做的。”
    
      那你的意思就是西藏独立是被老地图承认的。
    
      拜托,现在是2008年了。我们有新的地图了。这些地图由最新的科技制成,无比精确。今天每个国家制作的这些新地图都表明西藏是中国的一部分。所以你是在说整个世界都错了?只有你和那些挂掉的制图者才是对的?
    
      为什么没有一个国家同意你的看法?你在这星球上真孤独。
    
      从清朝到1911年为止,所有联系过中国的国家都同意西藏是中国的一部分。
    
      从1911年到1949年,早期民国时期,中国分裂成两部分,那时候从没有国家认可过西藏的独立。事实上所有的国家都认为西藏是中国的一部分。
    
      从1949年到现在,中华人民共和国时期,仍然没有国家认可西藏是一个独立国家。这就是现实。西藏是中国的一部分。每个人都知道,每个国家都认可。
    
      你西藏独立的美好愿望只是个妄想罢了,还有它那由不存在的制图者制作的不存在的地图。
    
      原创翻译:
    
      (美国)if Vietnam had not been colony by French stuff before. maybe provide of China..
    
      如果越南没有被法国殖民,也许会是中国的。
    
      (中国)God-damned poll holden by such an idiot! Such ridiculous was made only to break the relationship between
    
      我X这二逼楼主发的二逼投票!用这个办法挑拨离间真是太荒谬了。
    
      (美国)“I think this planet belongs to China what do you think?”
    
      It should be. The West had rule this planet far too long. 400 years that is way too long. Now it is China's turn... India wait in line, dude.
    
      引用“我认为整个地球都是中国的,你们觉得呢?”
    
      应该的,西方统治这个世界太久了。400年,实在太久了。现在轮到中国了……印度还在排队,伙计们~
    
      (澳大利亚)What the hell u guys say Vietnam is part of China .
    
      Vietnam is one great country by itself .
    
      May be China is part of Vietman soon
    
      你们TMD说什么越南是中国的一部分。
    
      越南自己是一个伟大的国家,也许中国就快要成为越南的一部分了。 www.junshijia.com 军情第一站
    
      (澳大利亚)“Viet is viet wrote:
    
      What the hell u guys say Vietnam is part of China .
    
      Vietnam is one great country by itself .
    
      May be China is part of Vietman soon ”
    
      those orange stuff still floating in your brain.
    
      引用“你们TMD说什么越南是中国的一部分。
    
      越南自己是一个伟大的国家,也许中国就快要成为越南的一部分了。”
    
      你脑子里装着屎吧。
    
      (澳大利亚)Without the Chinese elements in Vietnamese, Japanese and Korean cultures, languages and look, they are not what they are now. Indeed, the Chinese, Vietnamese, Japanese and Koreans are of one race, but different tribes. Imaging if they unite as one, they will take over half of the globe.
    
      越南如果没了中国和日韩各种语言文化因素影响,他们就不是现在是他们了。确实,中国,越南,日韩都是源于同一个种族,但是不同的分支。想象一下如果他们能够联合在一起,他们将掌握半个世界。
    
      (卢兹)The basis of Vietnam's culture came from China,and indeed Vietnam has benefited greatly from their Chinese cultural roots. That said, the Vietnamese, North, Central, and South, are very different peoples. While
    
      China may once have been an empire, the Vietnamese are best left out of it. They have their own destinies to follow. Hopefully, China will always be a friend.
    
      越南的文化基本都来自中国,越南确实从他们的中国文化根源中获益良多。有一种说法,越南人,南北中都相差很多。当中国有一天真的成为一个帝国的时候,越南人最好绕边走,他们得去追寻自己的命运。希望中国可以永远当一个越南的朋友吧。
    
      (越南)Of course Vietnam is not a province of China.The Han,a majoriy ethnic in China today,has invaded many land of other enthnic ,and Vietnam is one of them. They appeared in
    
      Vietnam nearly 1000 years,but the Han and the Vietnamese are truly different ethnic.Finally,exactly the land of China is only about 1/3 of today area.they invaded Tibet,Xin Qiang,...
    
      You should know this fact,...
    
      thanks for reading
    
      越南当然不是中国的一个省。汉族,中国今日最大的民族曾经侵略过很多其他民族的领土,越南是其中之一。他们占领越南差不多有1000多年,但是汉族和越南人是完全不同的种族。最后,其实现在的中国国土只有目前的三分之一,他们侵略了西藏和新疆
    
      你们应该知道这个事实……
    
      感谢阅读
    
      (菲律宾)does it matter... the Chinese control the Vietnamese economy once again...
    
      有什么关系……中国人又一次掌控了越南人的经济。
    
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    在解龙将军看来,中国人掌控越南人的经济和越南人次掌控越南人的经济,没有什么不同,因为越南人本来就是中国的边民,是中国人里面的罪犯和当地土著的混杂种族。 [博讯来稿] (博讯 boxun.com)
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